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Exciting times in Riderville?
« on: March 02, 2010, 08:25:32 AM »
The government's feasibility study came out yesterday on a new stadium for Regina:

http://www.cicorp.sk.ca/pubs/2010%20Stadium%20Feasibility%20Study.html

It looks like something will go ahead whether it be a dome or a retractable roof:

http://www.leaderpost.com/sports/Covered+stadium+downtown+Regina+costing+million+feasible+study+suggests/2627527/story.html

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A 33,000-seat covered stadium would cost an estimated $386.2 million — or $431.2 million if the roof is retractable — and could operate successfully in downtown Regina, according to a major feasibility study released Monday.

This is an amazing opportunity to completely revitalize downtown Regina and connect it to the warehouse district.
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Re: Exciting times in Riderville?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 05:07:25 PM »
I'm excited about this. I hope it goes through, but I won't believe it until I see it completed.


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Re: Exciting times in Riderville?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 09:09:31 PM »
Lookee thar Martha. We sure could store lotsa wheat in that fancy grain elee-vator.

Pretty sweet though. Here's hoping.
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Re: Exciting times in Riderville?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 02:49:09 PM »
There's another proposal on the table from the the Florida Seminole Tribe and other Saskatchewan tribes.

It's for a $1.2 billion dollar stadium/hotel/Hard Rock Cafe/casino complex.

The Seminoles would put up $600 million.
Casino Regina and Casino Moose Jaw would be bought for a total of $350 million. The deal would ask the government to donate $200 million of that to the project.

That leaves $400 million for the Saskatchewan tribes to raise.

It would be a 55,000 seat stadium (a bit too big in my opinion).

See http://www.djcarchitect.com/portfolio/currentprojects.html and http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Renowned+Canadian+architect+Douglas+Cardinal+designs+spectacular+domed+stadium+Regina/2638478/story.html for more information.

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Re: Exciting times in Riderville?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 03:04:26 PM »
There's another proposal on the table from the the Florida Seminole Tribe and other Saskatchewan tribes.

It's for a $1.2 billion dollar stadium/hotel/Hard Rock Cafe/casino complex.

The Seminoles would put up $600 million.
Casino Regina and Casino Moose Jaw would be bought for a total of $350 million. The deal would ask the government to donate $200 million of that to the project.

That leaves $400 million for the Saskatchewan tribes to raise.

It would be a 55,000 seat stadium (a bit too big in my opinion).

See http://www.djcarchitect.com/portfolio/currentprojects.html and http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Renowned+Canadian+architect+Douglas+Cardinal+designs+spectacular+domed+stadium+Regina/2638478/story.html for more information.


But with a stadium that size they could tarp up some seats and then for labor day and other big games like that they could open up those seats for sale and I bet they'd sell them all.  I hope it all goes through.  Apparently the Bombers are inching closer and will have a posative announcement in the coming weeks in regards to their new stadium.

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Re: Exciting times in Riderville?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2010, 07:04:51 AM »
I'm not a fan of tarping up seats. It may hide them, but you still have a lot of extra space that takes away from the intimacy of the game.

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Re: Exciting times in Riderville?
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 12:19:46 AM »
I'm not a fan of tarping up seats. It may hide them, but you still have a lot of extra space that takes away from the intimacy of the game.

Gotta agree.  There are absolutely pros and cons here, but generally speaking, the larger the stadium the less intimate the environment.  IMO, you don't build a stadium sized for a couple of games a year, but rather where you think you can sustainable fill it for the most part.  I'd love to see something in the 40,000 seat range in Regina with the ability to expand to 45-48 or so... similar to what McMahon holds for a Grey Cup.

I'd hate to see them go too small and not capitalize on the market, both now and hopefully well into the future, but they need to keep some of the intrinsic elements of their current situation that attracts the attendances that they're drawing... namely atmosphere and environment.

I'm not a big fan of domes, but if they go the distance and make it a retractable roof, that could  offer up the best of both worlds and make it more feasible as a year round facility for the community.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2010, 01:46:24 PM »
Building something big enough to handle a once per season game like the LD Classic or a once per decade possibility like a Grey Cup is like creating a false economy. It's quite easy to get caught up in the wave of success the Riders are surfing on now but you have to assume things will not always remain as such. Even with the current demands on Rider ducats there were 3 games last year where they didn't quite fill the expanded Mosaic capacity. 6 games were sellouts at 30945. 3 more were less than that including 29361 for the Argos. You may be able to get 45000 in for a LD Classic, but the expanded capacity could serve to reduce the urgency to buy tickets for the rest of the season. With 30000 capacity you can create an urgency for season tickets so a fan can ensure they have a seat. Bump it up to 40000 and many fans feel they don't need to buy season tickets because they can get single game tickets anytime they want. No doubt there would be the 5 year honeymoon period where if a new barn was built with a capacity of say 45000 most of those seats would be filled. But once the novelty of the new building wears off attendance would settle back down to more traditional levels ebbing and flowing with the success and quality of the team. That happened in BC Place. After 5 years of good football and good teams regularly attracted 50000+ attendance regressed back to the 30000 range. In Edmonton the Eskimos who annually lead the league in attendance have settled in at an average of roughly 37000 in the 60000 season Commonwealth Stadium. Rider Pride filled it to 62000 last year but that is their first crowd of over 50000 since 2005. You'll be hard pressed to get many Eskimo fans to admit Commonwealth is less than the best place to watch a CFL game but I'd be willing to bet that they'd gladly trade the 60000 seat monolith with 10000 tarped off seats for a 45000 seat more intimately designed facility. I'd also be willing to bet it their average attendance would increase as a result.

It was the same here in Prince George. When the Multiplex opened in 1995 for the WHL Cougars it was the place to be filling to near capacity each and every game. Locals lamented that it should've been built with a 7500 capacity instead of 5900. Well after several years of mediocre hockey they rarely crack 2500. Season ticket base is now a fraction fo what they used to be. Why buy season tickets when you can walk up to the ticket office on game day and sit wherever you like.

In the case of Regina I thinking a 35000 capacilty building would be perfect for the good times and hopefully not too big for the bad.

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Re: Exciting times in Riderville?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 01:22:41 PM »
...but I'd be willing to bet that they'd gladly trade the 60000 seat monolith with 10000 tarped off seats for a 45000 seat more intimately designed facility. I'd also be willing to bet it their average attendance would increase as a result.

Personally, I would not trade Commonwealth Stadium for a smaller more 'intimate' setting.  But that is because I have been attending since it first opened in 1978.  I have been both in the stadium and on the field when there have been 60,000+ in the stands and that is something that really amazing!  So, when times are lean (like the past few) it is not a good thing, but when times are better, the organization benefits more.


In the case of Regina I thinking a 35000 capacilty building would be perfect for the good times and hopefully not too big for the bad.

IMO, 35,000 is just a little bit small.  I would go for 40,000 with expandibility to 50,000+ for Grey Cups.  When arriving at a decision to build a new stadium one should try to build it for the needs of the future keeping in mind that you need to be realistic.  Many people would say that Commonwealth is too big, but it does come in handy for Grey Cups.  It allows the organization to keep the ticket costs more reasonable than a stadium that has a 'smaller' capacity.

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 07:48:23 PM »
Personally, I would not trade Commonwealth Stadium for a smaller more 'intimate' setting.  But that is because I have been attending since it first opened in 1978.  I have been both in the stadium and on the field when there have been 60,000+ in the stands and that is something that really amazing!  So, when times are lean (like the past few) it is not a good thing, but when times are better, the organization benefits more.

You remenisce fondly not unlike us Lions fans like to recall the days of 50000+ in BC Place. But as is the norm when pontificating glory days we tend to forget that nearly a generation has passed since that was the norm. Good years or bad Eskimo attendance hasn't changed much since this millenium started. 2005 was the high water mark with 41933. For the other 8 years I have figures on the average has consistently fluctuated between a 33912 (2000) and 39032 (2004). If 45000 was Commonwealth capacity then the Esks would have enjoyed only 12 sellouts in the 90 games I have figures on from 2000 through 2009 (I'm missing 2003). 6 of those 12 crowds were over 50000 with 2 cracking the 60000 mark this millenium. So is it better to have a 45000 seat facility potentially filled to capacity 66% of the time or have a 60000 seat facility that has 20000 empty seats 66% of the time.

The main point I as trying to make is that a stadium capacity should be something that fits what the normal crowd will be in healthy years beyond the 5 year honeymoon period that will be ejnjoyed as people want to go as much for the building as the event.

 

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 09:30:36 AM »
The main point I as trying to make is that a stadium capacity should be something that fits what the normal crowd will be in healthy years beyond the 5 year honeymoon period that will be ejnjoyed as people want to go as much for the building as the event.

I believe that this is too 'short' a time frame when taking into account the scope and life span of such a project.  Stadiums are built to last a much longer period of time (50+ years) and if you build it based on the years beyond the '5 year' honeymoon, you are not taking into account the inevitable population growth.  Now, I realize that this is something of a 'crap shoot', but if done (even conservatively) it should improve the long term success of the facility as a whole.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 01:18:39 PM »
Stadiums are built to last a much longer period of time (50+ years) and if you build it based on the years beyond the '5 year' honeymoon, you are not taking into account the inevitable population growth.  Now, I realize that this is something of a 'crap shoot', but if done (even conservatively) it should improve the long term success of the facility as a whole.

Nice in theory but rarely is it reflected in real life. If that's the case then Commonwealth should be filled to capacity every game given the population of the City of Edmonton has increased 63% since 1978. Vancouver is similar. The population of the Greater Vancouver area has doubled since 1981. Despite that attendance seems to have settled in to the low to mid 30K range year in and year out. In both cities substantial population growth has effectively had zero impact on CFL attendance over the past 2 decards.

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